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Data from EV-1
04-20-16, 12:54 PM (This post was last modified: 04-20-16 01:21 PM by Steve - Raymarine - Moderator.)
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Data from EV-1
The description of the EV-1 says it's a 9 axis sensor. But in the list of NEMA 2000 sentences the manual says it supports Rudder Angle and Vessel Heading are the only two that seem to have anything to do with the boat's movement. Does the EV-1 generate any other data, and is it available to an MFD (like an e7D) via STng?

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04-20-16, 01:23 PM (This post was last modified: 04-20-16 01:23 PM by Steve - Raymarine - Moderator.)
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RE: Data from EV-1
The EV-1, produces heading data, virtual rudder reference data, only when underway, and tilt (aka heal angle).
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07-13-16, 03:12 PM
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RE: Data from EV-1
(04-20-16 01:23 PM)Steve - Raymarine - Moderator Wrote:  The EV-1, produces heading data, virtual rudder reference data, only when underway, and tilt (aka heal angle).
Steve? What does "only when underway" in your sentence apply to? And how does the EV-1 know that the vessel is underway?

Second, 87180-2-EN_Evolution_EV-1_and_ACU_Installation_instructions.pdf only mention transmitting 127245 "Rudder angle" and 127250 "Vessel heading". There is no mention of tilt / heal (i.e. heel), which I believe would be 127257 "Attitude" which supplies yaw, pitch, and roll.

Related, that same pdf says that the EV-1 also receives 127250 "Vessel heading" - how is this used?

In my application I have two devices transmitting 127250 - the EV-1 and an Airmar WS-200WX, but only the EV-1 is showing up in my a78 as a source for "Heading". The a78 is receiving wind data from the Airmar (and the EV-1 can receive wind data PGNs), but apparently not heading from the Airmar. And a laptop on this network is receiving 127250 from both devices. Is there some particular filtering that the a78 is doing to discard the Airmar's 127250 PGN?

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07-18-16, 10:27 AM
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RE: Data from EV-1
Keith,

Q1. What does "only when underway" in your sentence apply to? And how does the EV-1 know that the vessel is underway?
A1. The physical design of the EV-1 sensor core include not only magnetometer, but also gyro and accelerometer sensors. According, heading is sensed by magnetometer, is stabilized by the gyro. Rate of turn, pitch, and roll are additionally sensed by the gyros, although only roll (Heel Angle) and Rate of Turn data items are able to be displayed within the system. The statement referenced previously which included underway should have stated underway and making way, as motion sensed by the accelerometers will trigger the Evolution autopilots to then display a "virtual" rudder angle (rudder bar) when should the autopilot not be fitted with a rudder reference transducer. Should the autopilot be fitted with a rudder reference transducer, then the autopilot control head will be capable of displaying rudder angle irrespective of whether the vessel is stationary or making way.

Q2. Related, that same pdf says that the EV-1 also receives 127250 "Vessel heading" - how is this used?
A2. Contrary to the pdf, the Evolution Autopilots are exclusively designed to utilize heading data from an EV-1 Sensor Core. While heading data from other sources may be displayed on within the databoxes, databar, etc. of products such as MFD, instrument displays, etc., the Evolution Autopilots will exclusively display heading data from the EV-1 Sensor Core.

Q3. In my application I have two devices transmitting 127250 - the EV-1 and an Airmar WS-200WX, but only the EV-1 is showing up in my a78 as a source for "Heading". The a78 is receiving wind data from the Airmar (and the EV-1 can receive wind data PGNs), but apparently not heading from the Airmar. And a laptop on this network is receiving 127250 from both devices. Is there some particular filtering that the a78 is doing to discard the Airmar's 127250 PGN?

A3. It is possible that in systems featuring an EV-1 Sensor Core the system will ignore other NMEA 2000 sources of heading data, as a single source of each type of data may only be used within the system or unpredictable results may occur. This may be verified by unplugging the EV-1 Sensor Core from the backbone, powering the system ON, and then determining whether the Data Sources feature lists the WS-200WX The one exception to this, only recently surfaced, is heading from a NMEA 0183 source. In the case of the latter, the a/c/e/eS/gS-Series MFD's auto selection feature appears to select the NMEA 0183 heading source for all devices except for the EV-1 Sensor Core.
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07-18-16, 12:10 PM (This post was last modified: 07-18-16 03:48 PM by Chuck - Raymarine - Moderator.)
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RE: Data from EV-1
(07-18-16 10:27 AM)Chuck - Raymarine - Moderator Wrote:  ...although only roll (Heel Angle) and Rate of Turn data items are able to be displayed within the system.
If (per the docs) the EV-1 is not outputting 127251 (ROT) and 127257 (Attitude), is the ACU getting this via a Proprietary PGN?

(07-18-16 10:27 AM)Chuck - Raymarine - Moderator Wrote:  ...the Evolution Autopilots are exclusively designed to utilize heading data from an EV-1 Sensor Core.
Since the ACU will only use the EV-1, I then need to make sure that my laptop nav program is also using that heading sensor. And the EV-1 (again, according to the docs) will make use of the 130306 (Wind Data) from the Airmar. Is that correct?

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07-18-16, 03:55 PM (This post was last modified: 07-18-16 03:59 PM by Chuck - Raymarine - Moderator.)
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RE: Data from EV-1
Keith,

Q1. If (per the docs) the EV-1 is not outputting 127251 (ROT) and 127257 (Attitude), is the ACU getting this via a Proprietary PGN?
A1. Contrary to what you may have read, the EV-1 Sensor Core is transmitting PGN 127251 ROT and PGN 127257 Attitude (roll, pitch, and yaw are being populated within this PGN). Should you have disconnected the weather station from the system and then used the NGT-1 with Actisense's NMEA Reader software, then your finding should be as have been stated within this response.

Q2: Since the ACU will only use the EV-1, I then need to make sure that my laptop nav program is also using that heading sensor. And the EV-1 (again, according to the docs) will make use of the 130306 (Wind Data) from the Airmar. Is that correct?
A2: It is recommended that a single data source be used with the system. As the autopilot will be using data from the EV-1, it is recommended that all devices, computer apps, etc. use data from the EV-1 as well.
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07-19-16, 11:34 AM (This post was last modified: 07-19-16 01:08 PM by Chuck - Raymarine - Moderator.)
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RE: Data from EV-1
Thank you Chuck! I spied on the EV-1 feed yesterday and noted that it's outputting 127245 Rudder, 127250 Vessel Heading, 127251 Rate of Turn, 127357 Attitude - each of them at 100ms intervals except Rudder at 40ms.

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Raymarine: ACU-400, EV-1, P70R, a78, M81105 RFU, ST60 RAI, E22158 ST-STNG
NMEA 2000: Garmin 740S & GMR18 HD, Airmar WS-200WX, Actisense NGT-1
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07-19-16, 01:09 PM
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RE: Data from EV-1
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